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Had a NIP from Derby constabulary 3 months ago and finally the matter went to court. Was caught at 59mph on M1 at 09:30pm when apparently it was set for 50mph variable speed limit.
The photos from the offence showed absolutely no traffic at all on the road , no flash from the camera and I am sure there was no 50mph signs showing. However the lovely useless magistrates still took the word from the scammers and found me guilty!
There should be a law against this, but i guess it will never happen as it is making the force money!
Most motorists vilify the use of speed cameras, but having dealt with numerous "accidents" including fatal accidents in my short career in the police many years ago, most motorist flout the law and are completely unconcerned about it.
Instead of complaining about the use of speed cameras, we should all of us recognise that this is the law.
If you don't agree with it, the do something about it and get the law changed - not break it!
Lobby you MP as much as you can; lobby your motoring organisation to get the law changed and whilst you're at it, stop the motoring organisations complaining about catching those who break the law!
Speed does kill. Reduce your speed and stick to the speed limits. That way you won't get caught!
Had a nice christmas present from Thames Valley Police, speeding fine. Having looked at where it was collected, it clearly shows the camera van must of driven over a foot path and double yellow lines to park on a grassed area where the width of the vehicle would of easily had it touching the path..Views?
Is it legal for these cameras to be set at 60mph just so they can entrap the motorist to fund the local police force?! I was doing 68mph on the M1 and got flashed at 3:30am in the morning. Surely each local authority has not got the right to change motorway speed limits because their Police force is skint?
I see Michael Howard has just got caught, and he was a signitory in support of the speed cameras - what a cruel twist of fate!!! I expect as a QC and Lord his appeal will be successful.
To all those who say ''well you deserve a ticket for speeding'' I very much look forward to the day they are served an NIP for doing 26mph in a 30mph zone, the NIP showing the speed as 36mph.
Oh how I will laugh out loud when they will then join this forum protesting their innocence, whilst others like them before say how ''they got what they deserved'' I know as I was one.
I am all for keeping to the speed limit, but these mobile lasers are operator inaccurate. There are some horrendous reports on these cameras and the people who are making so much money from them.
When are the Home Office going to sit up and listen.....NEVER......as this would be the next PPI with claims being made in the billions!!!
40mph variable speed limits on motorways CAUSE traffic jams.
I travel on the M20 everyday and we never had a problem with traffic flow until the variable speed limit was introduced. 40mph is just way too low, it just causes everybody to brake and compresses 2 miles of traffic into 1/2 mile until everyone stops. I also travelled on the M25 last week and the variable limits went from 60mph to 50mph to 40mph and of course at 40mph the traffic then stopped. There was no junction between these limits so no additional traffic could join the motorway. So ironic that the agency tasked with keeping the traffic moving actually stops it. Just another case of an agency trying to justify it's existence.
Ridiculous. Obviously I cannot comment on speed cameras or so-called 'road safety' partnerships anywhere else in the country. I live in Brough, East Yorkshire and the camera partnership that operate in my area (Safer Roads Humber) are an absolute disgrace. Like other partnerships, they have camera vans which they park up in various locations and operate mobile speed cameras from, however it proves from where these vans are usually located, that it is purely just a money making scheme and has absolutely nothing to do with road safety.
Don't get me wrong, speed cameras are important, for example if someone is doing 100mph down a motorway or doing 40mph in a 30mph near a school, then yes, they should be severely punished. However the vast majority of the time the vans are located in areas were the speed limit is too low and should be higher (for example a country road in North Newbald which is a 40mph for some reason). This is ridiculous as they should be located outside schools and on roads that have very high accident rates, not on roads were the speed limit is clearly incorrect and is too low.
Moving on, the speeding threshold on which you get prosecuted on is also an absolute joke, 10% +2. This means that you get a ticket for doing 35mph in a 30mph zone. I am a new drive so therefore I lose my licence if I am caught doing this 3 times within the first two years of passing, what a joke. I never speed anyway so have never been caught, but it has come to the point now were I feel it is dangerous as I am constantly looking at my speedometer instead of the road just to make sure I am not! I honestly don't understand the morals of the camera operators who sit in the vans and with all the problems we have in the world, they really should find something better to do!
These so called cameras are being used to finance the shortfall in funding for the nations forces i.e. Derbyshire these cameras catching out motorist at the slightest increase over the set speed limit and can be lowered at the flick of a switch they don't give you any leeway think its disgraceful.
These cameras have NOTHING to do with safety they are money boxes to boost funds.
Just got a NIP through post for speeding. So angry that they can put a mobile speed camera at the bottom of a hill to catch people!!! Grrrr
First time in my life I have received a speeding fine. A route I use every day. 47pmh in a 40mph going up hill in my small car. Firstly I was impressed my car could do that. Secondly angry because I know I wasn't. Can't fight the law though. Handheld camera from rear of car. Lovely picture of my boot which wasn't flat to the floor.
My question, Handheld, what if a car was coming towards him down the hill? What if calibration was wrong. I can't afford court. But I am ashamed that I know I am right. See I am an undertaker and always drive slow. Ashamed that my 100% clean record been sullied. I went out at night to try and get to the speed they said. The 40mph is uphill less than quarter Mile from roundabout then 60mph limit. They only have the limit as 40mph on their website. Truthfully I have been screwed!
I see speed cameras as a money making project more than a safety thing. I've also noticed that many of these new cameras are very well camouflaged. In fact one camera that is close to my house is positioned behind trees at the side of the road and you don't see the camera until you are on the 3 strips in the road. Now they are also positioned near traffic lights so largely during busy periods traffic is queuing, so I assume it probably makes most of its money when the roads are empty at night with minimal traffic?
The parking positions of mobile camera vehicles is disgraceful. I have a few pictures where you would find it difficult to spot the mobile van and yes I regret speeding but on a hill where the speed limits change? Yes these vans are meant to deter speeding but having them hidden behind bushes, behind other parked vehicles or at the brow of a hill where a limit changes from 30 to national speed limit. Apparently you don't get anywhere by contesting the fine, you just have to take it up the A**e. PLEASE government just for once give the common man a chance!
Most comments on here are about cameras being a money maker.
Simple answer........ Do not go over the speed limit at any time and there will be no revenue generated.
As for the people moaning about being caught speeding, well that will be their own fault then.
This week driving home from work, I noticed a police mobile speed camera van which was parked up on a slip road off the main road I was driving on.
The view for the police must have been great! They can see all the cars coming towards them on the main road yet none of the drivers can see the police van parked up.
My question is does the van have to be visible to drivers and does it have to be parked on the road they are catching people speeding on?
It may be legal - but it doesn't feel very ethical!
I live in Chelmsford at one point doing some 50,000 miles a year, now I understand speed and safety etc. But could somebody in power explain why the few speed cameras in Chelmsford are on roads in places where there hard to see and at speed change sites and they are NOT outside schools, hospitals, old peoples home etc which are on main roads?
These are were they should be, and not were the powers to be think they will make the most money, and from what I've seen this follows across the country, there not for safety there to make lots of money I feel.
Just had notice that I have been caught "Speeding - exceed 70mph motorway limit - automatic camera device" at "M5, Junciton 17-16 Northbound, South Gloucestershire". I was caught doing 83mph. The traffic was very light at the time I went through and I am sure there was no "Variable Speed Limit" signs. Therefore I have to assume that these HADECS 3 are switched on all the time. Very sneaky. Fortunately I should be able to do a driver awareness course but driving faster than 70mph in light traffic is not dangerous and therefore I certainly see this as a revenue generator.
Speed cameras are a necessity but overall, are abused as a money making technique.
Instead of using speed cameras to catch you going over the speed they should also be used for drivers who pull out of lanes without indicating. I have being driving up and down motorways quite a lot in the past few months and have noticed people still on mobile phones while driving. They use the cameras for money not to make the roads safer, otherwise they would use them for the right purpose to catch drivers driving mad on the road.
Ok so I've been driving a couple of months now and all considering I'm a very good, comfortable, confident, patient driver. I never speed intentionally (aka occasionally nudge up to 55mph or so on a single carriageway, but nothing EVER in a 30mph zone. Speeding in a 30mph zone is disgusting because of the likelihood of pedestrians and cars pulling out compared to carriageways.
HOWEVER, saying all this, I was driving through the Great Barford area tonight (midnight) when I pulled up to a junction with a stop sign. This made me worry that to my right could possibly be fast moving vehicles as that would be a realistic reason for the sign. This thought caused me to decide that a quick acceleration up to 30mph ASAP was required to ensure no risk of a collision into my back end by someone coming from my night. I normally come out of that junction fast but being able to see my surroundings allows for a more controlled acceleration as I am more aware of my surroundings. Unfortunately in my rush to get to 30mph I did touch 34mph for no more than 2 seconds before returning to 30mph for the duration of the journey along the Great Barford main road.
Now for my issue. I can't be sure but I seem to remember a flash in the corner of my eye just as I passed the speed camera (just my luck, the second I was at 34mph was the second I passed the camera). I've read that these types of cameras don't use a flash, especially at night, and that they use an invisible infra red light. This causes me the confusion as to whether the camera actually did flash me or not. Confusion...
A question was asked on your questions and answer page about whether people are getting fined or not because other vehicles seem to overtake at higher speeds and lorries often flash and ask him/her to move over.
As a lorry driver, we find it very frustrating that a lot of car drivers sit in the middle lane at 45-46mph in a 50mph average speed zone. Our speedometers are calibrated by law every two years and are very accurate. Most cars read high so that when their speedometers say 50mph they are only doing 45-47mph.
In these usually road-works areas on 3-lane motorways it would benefit all if there were regular signs saying "keep left unless overtaking". Or "don't hog the middle lane". The offending car driver's attitude seems to be "I am doing 50mph so why should I move over" when in actual fact they are not doing 50mph and they are also breaking he law by hogging the middle lane.
Lorries are not allowed in the 3rd lane and should not undercut so are forced to sit behind these slow drivers hogging the middle lane which causes frustration. Frustration also causes accidents.
So many worrying about concentrating on your speedo when there is a camera about!!! You passed your driving test, aware that all roads have a speed limit (this is the MAX speed, you can always drop down a bit!). You should be checking your speedo regularly whether there is a camera there or not! and as for the lady who had no tickets down south (no cameras in her area) but moving up to yorks gets 3 tickets in 3 months... think you have confirmed that you are, a menace to the roads and incapable of driving safely.
I now live near Toronto. The provincial government got rid of all speed cameras here a few years ago and now there is a big and noticable difference in driving style. Lots of speeding and seroius collisions. Police can't keep up and we have more cops than you. We need these new cameras here.
Speed cameras of any type require a lot of concentration to keep within the limits especially when they change from one limit to another. This is a great distraction from the rest of what's going on on the road, very dangerous in my mind.
If as they state that these cameras are there to save lives, what is being achieved by having a mobile one on an Industrial Estate on a Saturday morning on a mainly deserted road?
What lives are at risk, hardly any people about, mainly lorries and commercial vehicles. I would like to know if there are any cameras on the same Industrial Estate during the week? I doubt it!
The annoying part of this from my point of view is that in my road there are signs with stating it is a 20mph limit, that are a waste of money as there are very few that adheres to 20mph, 40mph to 50mph maybe. It's the same story on the main road with a 30mph limit both roads are un-monitored in a residential area, until someone is killed or injured, but it is considered it is required on an Industrial Estate with little or no people around at the time.
These cameras are a fantastic innovation, they are put in place for safety reasons, if motorists in this country obeyed the speed limits, there would be no need for cameras, but the more irresponsible motorists that are removed from our roads, makes everywhere safer.
Speed limits are set to save lives. Thus I abide by the limit and keep within. However, I too received a speeding penalty. They claim the signs were stating 50mph on the motorway and I was doing 59mph! However, I was so sure that the signs were stating 60mph.
They claim they have recorded data that shows the cameras stating that information. Data is no good to me, I need them to show me a picture of my car speeding through the sign showing the limit they say!!
The 3 pictures only show:
1. My number plate
2. My car entering marked area
3. My car nearly leaving marked area
Speed is how non the pictures to be 59mph. But no where on the pictures does it show the signs displaying 50mph. Next week they could send me another speeding notice saying it was 40mph. I don't feel this method is right and I wonder which police force is behind this idea, not South Yorkshire again is it??
Oh well, better pay it before they add more fees on it.
I thought that in order for a speed camera to be located there had to have been a number of deaths or serious accidents within so many metres of camera location and the cameras were not supposed to remain sited if these numbers dropped. If speed cameras worked no one would get caught. As Drivers we should be concentrating on many things around us and not be obsessed with our Speedometers...
Of course we shouldn't speed, but the amount of speed cameras in the UK is ridiculous and it is NOT about saving lives. If it were the money invested in speed cameras on motorways should be better used making areas outside schools safe and our residential areas too. That's where people are getting knocked down isn't it
I live in a town with a dangerous crossing two of our elderly friends were ran down there, one died, one brain damage. Two young girls were killed after that. It was horrific. This is in the space of a couple of years. Before that there were many others. The town had to PROTEST to get traffic lights put there. Oddly we didn't have to protest to get the speed cameras on bends where no one crosses.
What about the pot holes, hitting one of those not dangerous? In my view we have the money to invest in speed cameras on motorways, but not making school children safe, crossings safe and fixing our roads. Odd that, isn't it? Wonder why people don't believe they are simply not for revenue? I have never had a ticket for speeding, but am sick of being notified about them. There's that many its beginning to have the opposite effect on my driving. Just my opinion.
I'm not against them, but I think some of them are positioned wrongly. For example there are a few on the M74 I would regard as operating illegally they are positioned about 20 meters in front of the national speed limit sign and others are on parts of the motorway where are no roadwork's happening so no need for cameras. This is in my mind just a way of generating revenue.
Another thing is that statistics can be manipulated. Speed does and can cause accidents but not the major cause usually it's down to bad driving hogging middle lane and pulling out onto fast lane without looking and judging other cars speed. Priority always goes to faster moving vehicle.
We also need to remember cars have changed now more cars are capable of doing higher speeds brake quicker now unfortunately some drivers can't handle these cars our roads need to change as do the cars.
I feel speed cameras are a way of generating money.
I lived up south where there was hardly cameras in the area and barely received one speeding ticket since the nine years of living there now since i have moved to Leeds I have so far received three tickets in span of three months of moving.
The problem is there are camera signs but no near clear indication of speed limit which is confusing as on a long stretch of road speed limits keep changing so how are you meant to know especially if you are not familiar of the area of what speed limit you should be driving. It's cunning more so that cameras are not even visible in majority of places which is frustrating.
I'm not against speed cameras per se, but more with the location of them. Most are placed where it is statistically more likely that drivers will go faster than the speed limit. Why will they? Because these are places where it is USUALLY safe - and logical - to do so.
There should be a law which only allows cameras to be placed where there have been accidents in the recent past. I am sure this would prevent more accidents than the current system, but it would sure generate less revenue from safe drivers.
Everyone, even police officers, will 'speed' accidentally from time to time, it almost cannot be helped. And that is not usually dangerous. It is careless, incompetent or reckless driving that CAUSES accidents.
Whilst speed does often increase the severity of accidents when they do occur, speed itself does not equal danger. One of the problems is that speed limits are inconsistent. Sometime they are too low and sometimes too high, so drivers cannot use their instinct or road sense to drive within the so called limit. The whole issue needs to be looked at with fresh eyes, not by those with prejudice or a pre-conceived standpoint.
If they are all about safety then they should be sited outside schools not on dual carriageways and motorways.
I have read many of the comments on here and there a lots that say the cameras are just a way of generating revenue.
If everyone obeyed the speed limits at all times nil revenue would be generated. So who is to blame for the authorities making all that money. I wonder.
Perhaps all cameras should be hidden to stop all the sharp braking when they are seen.
Wondering why mobile camera is parking between vehicles so the are invisable to road users, why and how is it legal? Also parking on public footpaths behind trees etc as signage cannot be seen.
I see that many comments on your page are basing speed arguments on GPS readings as being highly accurate ... I have read that this is not always so. Read "The Suitability of GPS Receivers Update Rates for Navigation Applications." In the first instance the roadside camera, when correctly used, will always be the accurate device.
How do you know you have a accurate speedometer - it suggested only a guide.
With GPS systems they commonly update readings every second for road vehicles... on older technology it maybe slower. In 1 second at 30 mph you will travel 44 feet and if you are going round a bend at the time you could typically be a straight line distance of 40 feet from your last signal reception point. Ignoring any errors in positioning by GPS.. your GPS speed is calculated from the straight line distance and could thus differ 10% from your wheel distance of 44 feet... this would show you as incorrectly travelling at 27mph.
Now roadside speed camera signals need very short time for them to work and will measure your speed more at an instant - at that point you are travelling at a speed of 30mph - but only travel a few inches during the signal time (when the road bend would have no consequence)... hence they would measure you at 30mph.
So the conclusion would be... when travelling slightly faster... the difference between being measured as being over the speed limit while thinking that you were under using GPS (given you were on a significant bend in the road).
The road bend radii which can create this type difference can often be found on our roads and would be only need to a few hundred feet.
So to compare speedometer and GPS use a straight road.
Ok... so no one likes to be caught speeding... I didn't 50 years ago ... it cost me £5. There can be no defence for speeding within a correctly signed limit. Even a small speed over the limit has a dramatic consequence for braking distance which varies as the square of the speed.
Going down a hill might increase speed and therefore needs to be checked... just as if one had hit the gas pedal.
If speed limit signs are clearly marked in advance then speed needs to be reduced before entering. On un-smart roads whether one is the only vehicle on the road or its crowded then no allowance can be made for the speed over the limit.
Average speed cameras are often thought of as being fair but otherwise it's instant speeds which are measured - so don't speed at any instant. If your loved one has been killed on the road then you may agree... I would love to pay 10x the speeding fine to get them back.
I have no issue with static speed cameras. What I do have a problem with is mobile speed vans. These are often placed in hidden positions, and are poorly marked. Also they are more dangerous than useful causing people to brake heavily when they spot one. I have nearly gone into the back of other vehicles because of this even when the person in front wasn't speeding, the automatic reaction is to break. These cameras should be abolished and replaced with static cameras in any location known for speeding.
It seems to me that mobile speed cameras use selective parking spots on roads where they are guaranteed 'good haul'. My observation is that the speed limit on that road is inappropriately low and is wrong, many roads have, what I would call 'natural ' speed limits i.e. the average speed driven by the majority of drivers.
I am not advocating speeding, exceeding a speed limit is more likely to happen with consistency on roads where the enforceable speed limit has been set lower than what would 'be a 'natural' speed, exceeding the speed limit does not make you a 'speeder.' You, in the above scenario have been caught in a preset trap guaranteed to keep the ££££ rolling in.
I was taking the wife shopping, January 2015. In no hurry, went around roundabout in Ystrad Mynach and was immediately flashed by other drivers. Camera! said the wife. Checked my speedo - 28mph/29mph.
We are way under I said. Sure enough, up the road a camera van in a layby on the side of the road with camera facing up the road away from me. About a week later I was gobsmacked to receive a summons in the post alleging I was doing 35mph in a 30mph. Wrote back disputing it and asked for evidence.
Two weeks later a photo of car arrived with 35mph in line underneath. It was a head on shot so they had a sneaky extra camera out the front windscreen. Had to take it across the carriageway in between down traffic as I was coming around a slight bend.
It's all about revenue when they resort to dirty tactics. First offence in 43 years. I paid £100 fine and dearer insurance just to get it off my mind but wish now I had disputed it in court. I shall hate them with a vengeance for the rest of my life.
I disapprove of the use of camera vans in North Yorkshire. They are too often parked on open roads like the A59 and A168 where they are clearly aimed at raising funds by catching law abiding motorists who happen to be doing 70MPH not 60MPH.
A lot of people I talk to feel the way I do which does nothing to enhance the reputation of the police. You should focus on areas of high numbers of pedestrians and around schools where clearly speeding is dangerous.
In a situation leaving a town. No 30mph signs one 50mph on the road on the way out of the town. Police camera in layby behind the 50mph sign which has 30mph on the coming into town.
So therefore catches drivers speeding up to leave the town when they see the 50mph sign That is not policing, that's taxation on a level folk cannot appeal without fear of reprisals from the courts.
I loathe speed cameras. The tax payer is paying to be caught speeding, and then fined!! Just yet again a government scam to earn more money from us, disguised as "safety cameras". If you crash at 70mph or 80mph what difference does it make? Drink drivers fair enough, but getting a fine and points for being a few miles over the limit c'mon. Disgraceful. Anyone in support of cameras should get a ticket and see how they like it. I don't care how careful you are we all go over the limit by mistake sometimes.
All 'safety cameras' should be painted yellow. Why paint them grey and hide them around signs and gantries if you're not deliberately trying to catch people out? Being sneaky is just going to wind up motorists.
No sympathy for speeders. There is no excuse.
Interesting the comment about being caught near a school. Doh! If you and others are caught then tuff luck. Stop your moaning and stick to the limit. Otherwise you are just selfish and deserve to be caught, fined and eventually prevented from driving.
Speeding IS a major contributor to road deaths. If you feel it is unfair then think on and consider how you would feel if a speeder killed someone you love just because they were late, tired or just lost concentration.
I do agree, especially in areas of schools etc, that speed limits are there for a good reason. Hence, at the moment the trials and testing of driverless cars. Surely there is the technology out their to restrict vehicles to road speed limits via GPS. My next search will be patents pending...
How many speeding motorcyclists do Truvelo cameras (and other such forward-facing speed cameras) detect?
How many drink-drivers, drug-drivers, uninsured drivers, driving on pavements who are "doing the decent thing by sticking to the speed limit" do speed cameras in general detect?
Pleeeeeease don't call them safety cameras!!
I was driving back to York from Bradford, so main source of guidance concentration was satnav.
I stopped on traffic light on a roundabout near to 'The Top House' between Halifax road and A6036 on signal green. As soon as I turned left to A6036 I met another red signal (just less than 50 yards from first signal). First I stopped for a second and get confused why system is not allowing me to get through because there was neither pedestrian crossing nor other road crossing, it was straight go ahead so why it was red. I checked cars were stopped on signal behind me on other signal (right hand side of the first signal which turned green and I turned left). I assumed that red is for them not for me and I crossed the red lights. Now I am not sure either will be served a notice or...
But IMO, signal on first location need to be amended, and there should be red light for people who wants to turn left with timing to let motorist on signal move first and then stop (should stop when right hand one get green). And for motorist for other lanes should signal should work as usual.
I felt second signal which I crossed is booby trap rather than safety as there is no other thing for whom motorist should stop on that signal.
I like the idea of mobile speed checks conducted by police officers and see anyone being prosecuted by this method as having been caught fair and square.
On the other hand my view on community speed checks is totally the opposite. I see them as vigilantly do-gooder's that enrage a high number of drivers. And I was once a passenger in a car where the three villagers carrying out a check informed police the driver was speeding when they were not, just because he gave them two fingers as he passed them.
My view is therefore, let the police do the checking and abolish community speed checks.
Approached a vairiable spped camera M25 junction 6 at approx. 70mph. The speed was changed to 60mph showing a lane closure. I came off the accelerator to reduce speed to 60mph as I was vertually under the sign it changed again to 50mph and caught myself and about four other motorists.
Other than hitting my breaks which could be very dangerous there was nothing I could do. It seems not fair that it could trigger the camera so quickly. Is there a timed gap allowed between changing the speeds as I'm sure some of the other motorists wouldn't have had a clue why they were flashed?
It's no wonder the public has total hatred and disdain for the Police. They go out to penalise the working man whilst letting the elite get away with the most unimaginable crimes. All you are is a collection agency for the worst scum on the planet whilst the government you collect for betrays you by cutting your jobs. It must be the most demoralising experience going after the poor whilst the rich that you collect for take your jobs away!! The laws you hand out are not even legal!!
I noticed that some mobile speed camera operators are the biggest law breakers. I was driving down the A14, one of these vans was park on the verge with a solid white line painted on the road. Now if someone had a blowout tyre and hit this van who going to explain that to there insurance, they are a law to you own and putting other peoples life at risk.
Although I think speed cameras are ok in the right places, I recently got flashed in my truck coming down the A49 in Cheshire. I am not a speed freak or speed for the hell of it, but what annoyed me was I just crept up on my speed without realising it, it was 04:30am when there is nothing about on the road at that time of the morning.
Some people speed because they are late or speed because they like going fast but it is unfair on drivers who do obey the limits but just get caught out for exceeding the limit for a few brief seconds. It is far easier to exceed the limit in a truck because the weight of the vehicle creeps the speed up very easily on the slightest of gradients.
I was going to inform you about a speed camera site near where I live but saw that you refer to them as speed traps.
They are not traps and will not trap anyone doing the legal speed limit.
I'm sorry to learn that our website has caused you offence.
We do not refer in general to speed cameras as being speed traps. After all our website is called SpeedCamerasUK.com and not SpeedTrapsUK.com.
We use the reference 'Safety Cameras', 'Speed Traps' and many others as these are keywords that people use when using Google and other search engines to find us.
I live in the Selby area and recently a police motorbike with a mobile speed camera on a tripod was situated at the top of Barlby Road there is no rhyme or reason for situating this at that point other than for revenue raising. This road is not built up but once up on a time was where a busy factory was, but alas no more.
There is no wonder the public in this country has no respect nor confidence in the Police as they treat drivers as an easy target for raising revenue and do not want to spend time, for which we pay, trying to catch criminals, the roads they target mostly as safe roads especially the one stated above it has not had any accidents near misses or complaints of speeding so tell me Mr Chief Constable why then, other than for money, target this road! Bet I don't get a response!!!
Do you have any data on motorway speed cams? As they are new from Feb 15 anyway, and more are planned - I've been driving nearly 30 years - and now the added nightmare of motorway cameras - I mean, on a long weekend journey - up and down the country - you could lose your licence in a day, very easily!!
IF THIS COUNTRY IS REALLY INTERESTED IN REDUCING SPEEDING - FINES SHOULD BE PROPORTIONAL TO YOUR MONTHLY WAGE - SO A BARRISTER , FOR EX , WOULD PAY A FINE MUCH MORE THAN ME , BUT IN THE END REPEAT OFFENDERS LOSE THEIR LICENSE - OR AT LEAST THEY SHOULD DO.
I was caught by a mobile speed camera at the bottom of a very steep hill, it sits there quite often at school run time and moves immediately after. Most parents of the school have been caught on this most doing 33/34 miles an hour.
I thought that the reason for these cameras were to target accident areas or where people were deliberately speeding on the roads? It really feels like they have targeted this place and time of day for the fines, surely their time would be better off spent on roads were there is dangerous driving and speeding to over take.
The police these days are constantly whining on and on about 'the cuts' and lack of resources and there are many instances where they fail to turn up on time to protect members of the public from violence and other offences.
Yet somehow they do have the resources to sit in vans for hours on end eating doughnuts or whatever, catching people driving a few mph over some arbitrarily decided speed limit that takes no account of road/weather conditions.
But of course it's much safer to do this - no one is likely to stab or shoot them and they still get a 'conviction'. Apart from a tiny honourable minority, I think the police today are a bloody disgrace and most people no longer have any respect for them.
I drive daily up and down the M1 from junction 5, often up to junction 14. I disagree completely with regards to the use of variable speed limit cameras. As mentioned by previous replies, they are dangerous as people try to significantly reduce speed when approaching, and they are often set to 60mph even when there is no traffic! What is the point? Cash generator for sure.
Total and utter waste of time and money! They only catch out strangers to the area, have no effect on road safety and are nothing more than cash generators.
If a speed camera is sited in a 40mph limit for example, you can do 60mph, 70mph or 80mph in between cameras braking before you hit the road markings.
Cameras are frequently sited in totally non-accident or road hazard areas because it's a nice long fast stretch of road where no pedestrians have access to, but is nice site to generate cash, i.e on the A40, A312, A316 ,A406 (Gatso alley) it has been proven that roads are safer with out speed cameras and several counties and councils have done away with them.
Speed cameras outside schools and hospitals fair enough..but not on dual carriageways for goodness sake!!
MOBILE speed cameras have NO effect on road safety and in fact can create more danger as drivers spot them too late and lose concentration on their driving as they automatically hit the brakes.
MOBILE cameras are a MONEY MAKER ..end of and here are the arguments that cannot be refuted:
FIXED cameras e.g. Gatso have the effect that most drivers will slow down knowing they are there and therefore the object of keeping the speed at the required limit is generally achieved and provides safety for all... Of course, some lack of concentrations means you can get caught out.
MOBILE cameras on the other hand are placed at will to rack up the revenue and nothing else. Drivers do not know the camera is there and so generally speaking the speeds are higher until it's too late and the driver puts the brakes on, which has a potentially dangerous follow on effect... Drivers then lose concentration and after the camera I suspect are not in a good mood so again not really concentrating as much as they should do on their driving. Then of course there are the days of waiting to see if they have a ticket or not.
I know several places here where MOBILE cameras are used regularly. So, if they need to use those cameras so often in the same area, there is NO ARGUMENT then to put up a FIXED camera instead having identified a road where speed perhaps is an issue... But of course in the real world they won't do that because they want the revenue.
There is nowhere where a mobile camera has any positive effect on road safety. Their design and use is to catch people out and make money... How does a mobile speed camera on a motorway bridge that can catch you a MILE away aid safety? It DOESN'T..The driver probably will never know he has been 'caught' and has no effect on reducing speed.
Average speed cameras on the other hand achieve the purpose in the main as most drivers will stick to the limit... But here is a way round that one --- each camera only watches one lane and checks your speed again at the next camera, so, change lanes after one camera and you average speed cannot be worked out by the next camera in any lane -- that is why you will see some informed motorists go faster than the posted speed and keep changing lanes.
There is just no argument for the use of MOBILE cameras except for perhaps to identify an area where speed is perhaps an issue that needs a FIXED camera like around schools etc..They are ONLY used to make money and make the public more anti-police and do not catch dangerous driving.
I have recently been disqualified from driving. In October, I was driving home on the M1 with my family. Due to confusing diversion signs because of roadwork's, it took nearly two hours of driving round in circles to get onto motorway. Consequently, with the wife desperate to get some sleep before work and the three kids cramped in the back, that affected my attitude about how quickly to drive to get home.
I received 3, yes, THREE of those NIPs from Sheffield, Leicester and Northamptonshire. Luckily, Northamptonshire decided not to prosecute but the other two did. Highest speed was 78mph and I was caught going through the temporary 50mph zone for roadworks. Stupidly, I didn't take heed to the signage because there were Gatso signs and I figured they were not 'real' cos you can't flag on the motorway, it'd be dangerous. Now I know they don't flash, they take averages.
I got 6 points and a £530 fine from South Yorkshire Police and 4 points and £350 from Leicester Police. I'm appealing both but won't hold your breath.
Weeks later, I went through a red light, rushing to get to work. I thought I could do it but was wrong. Now, with 3 points for that, I've been disqualified for 6 months. I'm out of work now because I need my car for work (DJ) and I'm just losing love, confidence and sense of place in modern Britain.
In my option I think it is only fair that a casualty reduction van that is sign written should be in clear view before taking photo. Taking a picture and enforcing a ticket to a oncoming car / van, when there are so far down the road that the car or van driver can't see the camera van I feel is unfair. That really doesn't make sense, having a van sign written as you do get to see it or make out what it is until its too late.
Therefore it is pointless also when most if not all see a sign written van they hit the brake and assess their speed and ensure the casualty incident is lowered. That toe is the purpose of the van and ticket those who don't take note of warning / visual sign written van. But ticketing before human visual constant is made isn't fair and should not be allowed. CHANGE THE SIGN WRITING TO SPEED TRAPPERS not the sly tamp casualty reduction.
Passing a wagon recently on the A18 dual carriageway. Spotted the speed camera van quarter of a mile ahead. There was no option but to brake, slow down all the cars which were following me doing the overtake, and then pull back in behind the lorry. Utter chaos but there was no other option because once I'd passed the lorry and pulled back into the left hand lane ,I'd have been right in front of the speed camera and possibly still over the limit from the overtake manoeuvre. It is only 60mph in a van after all.
I believe these mobile camera vans will cause an accident before long on a dual carriageway. Its ironic that where human life really is important (The A1M upgrade roadworks) they use time and distance cameras which work beautifully. Clearly they don't raise revenue though, and hiding camera vans among bushes at dusk does little for road safety either.
I have this evening been stopped for driving at 43mph, according to the mobile camera held by a person in a yellow jacket on the Church Road on the A412, going north just before Rostrevor Gardens.
There was nothing to suggest there might be a speed camera on the road. It's 30mph there and then changes to 50mph. They were already dealing with one driver and when I drove off, they were dealing with another. Don't the police have to provide some advance warning?
I was told it was just part of the government's initiative to reduce road deaths, so is that location a known danger spot?
I am an ex Police driver trained to know when you see the amber light from red, to gauge your ability to stop safely in the distance and if too close to the amber light, to actually increase speed to clear the junction quickly and safely (it's trained road craft).
In this case no other vehicles were present at the junction but for a car just to my right travelling just faster than me now if your travelling at approx. 30mph in a 30mph limit and the lights are green you are allowed to anticipate that the amber will give you safety time to react (as it happens these changed very quickly) the car just ahead of me had moved out and not signalled, and in that moment of watching his position on the road I was on the inside lane approaching the green light which turned amber leaving my breaking distance limited to severe breaking, so I chose to increased speed slightly and crossed the line to two flashes from the camera behind me (the camera puts my speed at 41mph at this point) which I refute as I immediately looked at my speed to be under 40mph the amber moved to red much faster than I would have normally anticipate now we know why this is in itself dangerous, as knowing I hadn't crossed the line on red (which is seriously dangerous) I was now partially distracted as I crossed the junction.
I have driven and ridden since 1967 without a conviction and now find myself looking at 3 points and £100 fine with increased insurance costs. I was not aware the cameras had been altered as mentioned or I would have just hit the brakes very hard and hoped for the best it seems that the machine is right and I am wrong.
I object to being criminalised by this change as my actions for that short duration were valid, considered and safe for the conditions I was aware the camera was at that junction so I wasn't being fool hardy I might add that my reactions at 64 years are still better than a class 1 driver in the MET Police today (I have my driving skills refreshed every year with reaction times).
I have just received notice that I am to be prosecuted for doing 36mph in a 30mph zone. This is the second time this has happened to me in under 3 years. I really think that all fixed speed cameras should have the prevailing limit clearly displayed on the yellow cabinet. In both my cases I thought I was in a 40mph zone. What a scam these cameras are.
I have just been handed a fine for speeding on the Bristol Almondsbury Interchange section J17 - 16. I drive class 1 and was doing 51mph when supposedly the gantry cameras were set to 40mph. I asked the avonandsomerset.police.uk website about the incident as I have never seen a 40mph on the gantry before to which they replied that "yes it was set at 40mph and if you want further proof you will have to take us to court which is when they will prove it".
I drive 400 miles per shift in my lorry and most drives take me past these speed cameras and as stated I have never seen a 40mph on the gantry, also the traffic conditions when I got supposidly caught were mild, it was on the 01/04/15 at 16:16.
I am testing the new TomTom Truck 6000 satnav for Tomtom and I checked the gantry a couple of days ago and it had 60mph up but my satnav was saying it was still 70mph and this is the full on live system. TomTom pay services to notify them of highway conditions so they can keep their customers notified. I have asked the speed enforcement team for proof the gantry said 40mph and they won't and as I never saw the 40mph and road conditions didn't warrant a 40mph as it wasn't at all busy I have to take them to court.
Newspaper articles state that the system is for controlling traffic at speeds of 50mph and 60mph and also for notifying of closed lanes with a red X, it also has road sensors for checking highway activity so they know the traffic flow, 1500 vehicles in each lane per hour is full capacity.
I have a GoPro camera in my cab and can prove the gantries are showing a different speed than my satnav tells me. Driving is my living and they are threatening me with £100 fine and 6 points without any proof, as I already have 3 points for being 3mph over a 30mph in my truck by a mobile camera van I cannot afford to have any more points. Should they keep TomTom up to date with changes in road conditions?!
I have recently been on a speed awareness course, but i feel that the camera which spotted me driving at 38mph was incorrectly positioned as all the lampposts had 40 mph signs on them.
I have asked the safety camera unit for the exact/precise position of the camera van, but they will only give me the vague answer of "entrance to field" which i feel is not good enough. Perhaps they know that their van was incorrectly positioned.
My wife and I saw the van and felt comfortable with our speed and the position of the van does not equate with their position as it was in a layby directly ahead of us and to the left.
I am a truck driver, and on Saturday 21st March at 03:30, I was travelling down the A14 towards Cambridge en route to Norwich, being aware that there was a diversion where the A14 bears left away from the M11.
As there were roadwork's on a short length of the A14 between junctions 31 and 32, traffic was diverted in towards Cambridge on the Huntingdon Road then back out to junction 32 on the B1049 Histon Road.
I was fully aware that the speed limit was 30mph, and there were speed cameras, despite an HGV in front of me accelerating away, I kept my speed down. When I saw the Gatso camera the other HGV was about 500 yards in front of me and I saw no flash, however when I went past the camera I got the double flash, quickly looked at my speedometer which gave my speed as 31mph. (Bearing in mind that when an HGV speedometer is calibrated it always reads 1 or 2 mph faster than your actual speed).
So it looks like despite all my years of experience and driving with care, being done for speeding is an occupational hazard!
Driving between junction 26 and junction 25 southbound on the M1, I saw a sign warning of a vehicle fire, It was 11:40pm and the road was very quiet, an overhead gantry sign said 60mph so I slowed from 70mph to 60mph, the next gantry sign said 50mph so I slowed to 50mph. The next one said 40mph but there was no sign of a vehicle nor any traffic build up, I eased off a little then flash
I glanced at my speedo and saw I was below 50mph, then a few hundred yards on I saw a recovery lorry reversing up to a now burnt out car to take it away. As I said there was very little traffic on the road and no apparent danger.
Sure enough a few days later I had a letter stating my speed was 47mph. I have opted for an awareness course rather than a fine and points .Fair cop I suppose but not much further on I was repeatedly overtaken by cars probably doing 90mph or more whilst I stuck to 70mph.
My advice is if you see a gantry sign, obey it even if you can't see a reason. Happy motoring.
My son had to drive on the A303 in the firms van, he has been sent a speeding ticket saying he exceeded the COMMERCIAL SPEED LIMIT. He has never driven a van before and did not see any warning signs about this restriction? He is very upset as if he had known this he would have driven more carefully just wish there wss more information about this money spinner.
UK speed cameras are calibrated for different types of vehicles and at the different speeds. For example while the speed limit may be 60mph for cars, the speed limit is only 50mph for larger vehicles.
Your article regarding a series of SPECS cameras along a carriageway stated that only the installer and the police know whether the average is taken from the first to last camera or between two consecutive cameras. Why should this be kept secret from the motorist. Is the error "headroom" known regarding likely prosecution?
The setup of the cameras seems to take place without any chance for anyone to discuss/object to the length of carriageway that is covered. Take the M54 and M3 for instance - miles and miles of 40 mph restrictions under average speed restriction - most of it with no work being carried out.
I would suggest you put your questions to your local MP and/or Minister for Transport.
Conviction by stealth is likely to be challenged particularly when all speed cameras other than those on traffic lights may have to be yellow in colour to be lawful
That needs a strong representation by motoring organisations to happen as far as these new smart cameras are concerned and it's also worth writing to ones MP to make the point stick.
More money is made from drivers who are just over the limited speed. The real speeders are up on where the speed cameras are and don't get snapped.
We live in a country with a government that aids and abets the police in the use of trickery to trap drivers, thus making millions.
Hi a bit worried that I may have gone through a average speed camera over the limit stated, I think I went past about three of the average speed cameras before I was aware I was going over the average speed limit, as I think went past three will I get three separate fines and 9 points!?! Big concern of mine as I'm in my first year of driving so I lose my licence.
Dears Sir or Madam,
I have just come across your website and am confused as to why you think it's OK to build a database of locations of speed cameras!
The latest reports just published have shown an increase in the number of people taken to court for speeding. For a lot of motorists speeding is a game of cat and mouse and if they manage to avoid being caught then they have won the game.
I live in an area where we have had several accidents, some of which have been fatal! We have mobile speed cameras who try and slow down these idiots but guess what, when the cameras are there drivers flash each others to warn them and when the cameras have gone the idiots go back to their reckless driving (this includes vans, trucks and HGV's not just cars).
Instead of promoting dangerous driving by producing a database of camera sites, you ought to promote safer driving to stop this carnage on UK roads!
The problem with the variable speed limit and their cameras is that there seems to be no consistency at times. I'm wise enough to always follow the limit cause I can't be bothered to deal with the fine and points and then increased insurance. But I can see why others are getting sick of them. At times it's a joke, 60mph to 40mph to 50mph and then back to 40mph. At times there are signs for a traffic collision or stranded vehicle and you drive as normal waiting to see some vehicles on the side but nothing. Often the roads have been cleared and the speed limits haven't changed. The whole system is wrong, it is purely for money making and nothing else.
I agree with speed cameras at danger spots. But there is a 50mph camera on a dual carriage section of the A4 out of Bath, yet on a stretch of the A361 nearby where there have been numerous deaths, nothing! The dual carriageway has no pedestrians etc can only be a cash generator. With so many cameras around, how does one concentrate on all the other traffic and people??? Absolutely crazy...
I am a registered Paramedic and earlier today at 0625am, and having just finished my night shift I was travelling home having just approached the speed camera of London road Clacton on sea.
A speeding motorist travelling towards me had just set the speed camera off when I had just got onto the speed markings on my side of the road.
I immediately looked at my speedometer and I recorded I was travelling at 26 MPH. I am concerned that this drivers stupidity will look as if I was speeding. Can you advise me what happens in this situation?
Speed cameras use two methods to accurately record the speed of a vehicle, these are:
2. Once the camera has been triggered two photos are then taken in quick succession of the target/speeding vehicle as it drives over the white lines painted on the road. These white lines and the distance travelled between photo 1 and photo 2 confirm the speed of the vehicle.
These two methods all helps prove beyond doubt that the target vehicle was or wasn't speeding.
I have two reservations regarding average speed cameras on "normal" roads. Firstly I find myself having to constantly monitor the speedometer (not everyone has cruise control) which takes attention away from monitoring other traffic.
Secondly the system retains my number plate and time passing the camera. This is a bit 1984 surveillance.
I drive the A14 (A1-M11) twice a month and always stick to 60mph more or less. I know how the system works but am amazed at the number of vehicles that pass me and the number that brake as they pass the speed cameras. I wonder how many vehicles are issued with fines?
I am not a big fan of speed cameras but understand why they are installed.
What I do see so much and as a biker this is lethal when riding, is people jumping red lights sometimes 5 seconds after the light has turned red. If I'm setting off on my bike I can be faced with a speeding car coming from the side and with cars building speed behind me.
Please please please can there be more cameras put on traffic lights to stop this as it's so dangerous and could stop something serious happening. This is especially true around Thurrock (Dartford Tunnel Roundabout) I see so many people jump the lights and if there was a deterrent of a camera catching them and getting a fine, then they are less liable to do it and lives potentially will be saved.
Why are you being so irresponsible? I have never been "caught" (i.e. broken the law) for speeding as I keep to speed limits, as they are there for a purpose. I would welcome a return to the grey hidden cameras and it being illegal to publish their location. Or even better still, no speed cameras, speed bumps etc. at all, as all motorists have grown up and realise the purpose of the limits.
The reason that speed cameras exist is to slow traffic down in accident black spot locations. The reason that they are painted yellow is to highlight the accident black spot location.
If cameras as you suggest were hidden or painted grey, motorists wouldn't have prior warning of the accident blackspot location and hence accidents would continue to occur.
A 72 year old driver told me recently that he was "done" for 34 mph literally just yards into a 30 limit that comes as you descend a steep hill into a village with about eight houses, nice easy touch for the Police. Of course like many people I now see the Police as the enemy of the motoring public, as a past professional driver at the age of 58 and with more driving miles under my belt than any of these wet behind the ears coppers sneaking about with their cameras will ever see I have two observations to make
If this is all about road safety, why do I witness the local boy racers going up and down my home town of Tywyn's main street at very much more than 30 MPH, without so much as the single site of a copper, let alone a camera, yet last Sunday on a fine clear day on the A470 which is one of the longest and straightest roads in these parts do we have PC plod half way down the very long dead straight hill in his Volvo estate and his Polaroid camera at the ready taking his snaps of us law breakers, mind you that is a little unfair the cars do represent a very real danger to the odd rabbit, children, no none of those, pedestrians, no sorry none of them either, folk crossing the road, no sorry again not a house in miles, other vehicles, well drive this road in January and you may see one every five minutes or so, apart that is for PC plod.
Come on politicians treat us as adults, put cameras where their is a definite safety issue, near schools might be a good idea, or old folks homes, oh sorry that's too much like common sense.
I have just seen an item on the BBC where a chap called Chris Haskins from Portland was forced to prove his own innocence by obtaining the photos and using internet software to prove his speed was only 13.4 miles per hour. I assume he did this using the white markings on the road... More significantly, however, the local organisation that runs the camera (on the A351) has admitted the problem was caused by a reflected signal but that this occurrence is "very rare" - the question is how rare?
As a new driver recently caught by a speed camera hidden behind a tree in Enfield, I am now half way to loosing my licence already, after only 3 months. I will now have my eyes glued to the Speedo, because if it happens again I've lost it. But I'm sure that the DVLA, DSA and the Government will be very happy if I lose my licence, because then they receive £30 for my new provisional licence, £20 for my theory test, £40 for my driving test, £12 for my new full licence, as well as the £160 in speeding fines. With this money they will probably erect more speed cameras.
And all this just for travelling at 43mph in a 40mph zone whilst trying to concentrate on the road ahead rather than constantly checking my speed.
Bad driving, poor concentration and inappropriate speed aggression all in part contribute to accidents. I have a speed camera alert system - not to speed but to help keep up with constantly changing limits, as all the locals set low limits in there area. I am amazed that on wide open dual carriageways 40/50mph limits are applied to please the locals businesses and commerce that need good, efficient, safe road links city to city. Anyone speeding near a school or on a housing estate should get the fine, penalty points and have to attend a course run by the police...
...I am a driving instructor and I teach all my pupils to stay at or just below the speed limit, just like I do myself. OK so there are people on the road who do drive far to fast for the road conditions, but a £60 fine and 3 points for doing 33 mph in a 30mph zone is a joke, its all about money. Your that busy keeping a check on your speed you tend to miss other road signs or hazards.
...I thought cameras were set up at accident blackspots, why then are they on every overtaking straight in the borders, but not on the long fast corners where the accidents happen? Is it not the case that this is a new form of taxation? Why are none of the cameras on the A697 painted yellow according to the new regulations?
Plus, why do the police and mobile camera operators delight in turning out in force for every biking event in Scotland - waiting for their prey returning to England via the Borders? Why don't they turn up to breathalyse golfers coming out from the clubhouse on Sunday afternoons - but no, they could be targeting off duty officers then couldn't they. Far safer to pick on motorists who the courts always convict. I have been baited by unmarked cars, and if I hadn't seen the collection of instruments by the cars mirror, I might have been 'done'. This isn't law or justice, this is rogue policing right out of rural America.
I firmly believe in road safety and especially to pedestrians, however I believe vehicles today are far superior and technically capable than of years ago. I believe that the national dual carriageway speed should increase leaving the built up areas to be strictly monitored.
True words, as a pedestrian, cyclist and car driver I agree. However, I see some bloody awful cyclists and pedestrians too. Cyclists that race cars and buses, weaving in and out of traffic, heads down cycling as fast as possible in somewhat kinky cycling shorts, probably in the belief that they are in the Tour De France. Cyclists on the pavements, meant for pedestrians. Drunk cyclists. Cyclists ignoring perfectly useable cycle lanes and dedicated cycle routes. Pedestrians walking straight out in front of cars, buses cycles, etc. (About time we had jay walking laws)
Car drivers, well, we know about them...U turns where not allowed, driving in bus/cycle lanes, speeding etc. We are all to blame for something. This does not negate the fact that car drivers are cash cows for the government, (lets face it, its the car tax that pays for the bike lanes) and speed cameras set to trigger at 10% above speed limits or hidden behind trees are just a ploy to extricate more money from us.
I have been photographed, by a camera on the M4 in Wales, normally a 70mph zone, but in this case, there was a sign that said road works ahead, speed 50mph. There were no roadwork's, no cones etc.. but there was a working camera. Flash! Bugger! It appears the works had finished that day, but the camera had not been set back to 70! I phoned the local Police, friendly, informative, but could do nothing.
To get the fine quashed, would have meant two days off of work to visit an unknown town in Wales, in the hope that I could convince a beak (who probably breaks driving laws anyway) that I was `robbed`. Obviously, I just paid the fine. It was cheaper!
See the problem now?
...I have noticed that police forces persist in naming these cash cows "safety cameras"! I would have no objection to this if the cameras were placed at potential danger spots such as schools, hospitals etc., but when they are situated on a straight stretch of dual carriageway (A14 anyone?) I think they're having a laugh.
These cameras are being used to enable forces to re-allocate traffic officers to other duties in order to compensate for the continuing shortage of police officers throughout the country, so there is no benefit to the public with regard to increased prevention / solving of other, more serious crime.
Cameras are incapable of making judgements based on road conditions, weather, time of day etc., so an idiot speeding in fog will get the same fine as another motorist speeding in full sunlight! As ever, the motorist is being used by Gordon Brown as a cash cow to sponsor his government - perhaps we should have a logo displayed on his official car (that's what happens in Motorsport!).
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Last updated: 19th January 2017